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Best band to ever play on earth! BLACK SABBATH!!! Intro was succesfully tabbed by doctornerve.
You need to really look these days to find true innovation. I would suggest you try so Atmospheric Black Metal like Alcest or Summoning.
@pacmanfan1214 Don’t be exaggerated.
I just love the fact that the entire band looked as if they were enjoying the song, like it was the first time they played it. A hard rock staple!
I Was A Teenager when All This music Was Released. My generation had the greatest Groups and I still think most groups in last 30 years are but mere shadows of the greats like Black Sabbath , Zeppelin ………… Nothing Really Innovative in most groups now. They just try to channel the best of the oldies like Ozzy !
I was the kid that did that. 14 years old and scared out of my wits.
The sound 7:32 makes me have goosebumps
I don’t think so, Tim.
What a great band! One of the best in all time m/
God bless Ozzy Osbourne!
Back when this came out, I had already been into music for several years. The dark sound of this album really changed the music world in my opinion, in the same way that Hendrix changed the music world forever.
Starting a 06:54 EPICGASM
Yes, they took influences from a lot of bluesy bands including Sabbath. But Sabbath doesn’t just do all dark stuff, they have the whole pentatonic rock thing going as well (eg Paranoid & Iron Man) To me that line seems a smooth progression. Sabbath had a splintered sound. This song represents the darker sound. Metallica did the same thing, starting off like NWOBHM then going to darker intervals and creepier sounds.
Oh, NWOBHM is definitely metal, but I’ve usually heard it considered a turning point for metal where the bands that made it mixed in elements of non-metal genres with their music which is why it began to sound so different. Then again, NWOBHM is a broad term. Most still took influence from Black Sabbath, but they also took influence from punk and hard rock bands like the ones you mention (and others). But again, I’d call that non-metal bands having influence on the later course of metal.
And yeah “Dark Metal” is DEFINITELY not pentatonic. It’s locrian, phrygian, pure minor, harmonic minor…almost anything but pentatonic, unless it’s Pantera’s “I’m Broken”…God what a song =)
Yeah that’s one of the huge problems with claiming any 1 band as the father of such a massive genre. What I was describing was NWOBHM and it’s predecessors. That’s very pentatonic based across the board. Now most people call NWOBHM hard rock or less, but in the 80s it was what DJ’s meant when they said “heavy metal” & often what Head banger’s ball played…the HM part of NWOBHM is… My point is that music didn’t come from Sabbath alone, it came from Cream, Zeppelin, Yardbirds…
I suppose the problem here is we disagree on what classifies metal. I can think of some of the most definitive metal bands and pieces that don’t have what I would call a rock beat or rough vocals, likewise songs that at least don’t focus on power chords (and pentatonic scales are pretty pervasive in many music genres). Though many of these things are common. Then again, I also consider all the hair/glam bands of the 80s as barely metal (Thrash and NWOBHM always seemed much more metal).
The reality of power chords playing distorted pentatonic lines over a rock beat with rough vocals. This is the style that was pioneered by Sabbath, Cream, Zeppelin, Yardbirds, etc &passed on to the 80s hair bands. It’s rare for any 1 band to start a style. I felt w/Dark metal this song is an exception given how they went suddenly “horror”, veering away from pentatonic riffs. The music tells the real story, artists look back to their roots. Elvis wanted to sing Gospel, he didn’t care about rock.
I’m not sure what reality you are basing that claim on at this point.
Ozzy isn’t the best representative, he was barely involved in making the music. Tony Iomi and Geezer Butler wrote most the music and lyrics, and they were the ones that tuned down to lead to the distinctive sound. They’ve said as well they considered themselves a blues band until people started calling them metal, but they also said they knew they were doing something different as well. There wasn’t a term for it at the time.
That’s what those bands claim, doesn’t really match reality though. And if you read Ozzy’s biography he says the same thing. He doesn’t claim to have started metal and didn’t really consider his music “metal”. There’s a whole section that he starts off with something like “A lot of guys claim we invented heavy metal with that song, ….” Look at Ozzy’s song “I’m Just a Rock and Roll Rebel”. All those bands were rock and rollers, but in reality they fathered metal.
I’d say Black Sabbath is still clearly the father. Zeppelin has long denied anything they did was metal, and Deep Purple deny being metal, although will admit an influence while at the same time saying “Black Sabbath was the father of metal” (in an interview with a member of Deep Purple on “Metal Evolution”). Other stuff sounds closer to NWOBHM because that movement is defined as mixing in new elements like punk to what was heavy metal.
So, some other bands sound “like” metal retrospectively.
sounds sick 4:00
Yup if you stray from “Dark Metal” then Sabbath isn’t as clearly the father anymore. The song “Black Sabbath” is from 1969 from what I read, but “Communication Breakdown” by Zeppelin is from 1968, and it sounds like typical NWOBHM stuff to me. I could hear James covering it on KillemAll no problem. What about Helter Skelter(1968),? or Born to Be Wild(same yr)? That kinda bluesy metal was in the air. I don’t think there’s a clear father. For dark metal though? Yes, this song is it.
Also, Metallica was influenced by a lot of bands, and most notably from the NWOBHM, as they proclaim readily. Most notably and closer to their time would be Iron Maiden, but many others from the NWOBHM as well. However, this group would mostly not have come about if it weren’t for Black Sabbath starting metal in general, or without the other early metal bands that followed. Bands took metal in new directions, but that doesn’t change the root being the same.
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